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Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.26 21:10:00 - [1] - Quote Rogan Otsolen wrote: Umm,no he didn't. As someone who works in the healthcare field and deals with issues like this a lot, I find his actions deplorable to say the least and removal from the CSM should be at the very least done to him if not a perma ban. And he or his don't like my comments then I don't give a **. Endeavour Starfleet wrote:** -1 Stop whining. He acted fine Exactly. I have worked in the area of mental health, and on the ward we say "there but for the grace of god go I" Why? Quite simply because we could also be struck down with a mental health problem no one is immune from it and there is no vaccination for it. Unless you have experienced mental health problems are a relative of or worked with said people you have no idea how easy it is to tip someone over the line. Picking on people with mental health issues is the last bigotry that seems to be accepted. What would you be saying if he encourged people to harass someone due to their gender or colour of their skin? If it is any different from this then you are hypocrites. Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.26 21:19:00 - [2] - Quote Xython wrote: Kalathia Eginald wrote: Harassment is nasty as is encouraging it. If what he did is against the EULA and the TOS then regardless of what you I or anyone else thinks he deserves to be punished and only those in charge can decide that. Was it said in game? No? DEAL WITH IT. Which part in what you quoted did I say he shopuld be banned or step down? I am comenting on the terms that we all agree to, even you and I. I also said if what he did is against the EULA or TOS or whatever he has to agree to as a CSM, then it is not upto us what happens it is upto those in charge what happens. That is something you will have to deal with.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.26 22:08:00 - [3] - Quote Tinnin Sylph wrote: This thread is now a discussion of The Mittani's relative chubbiness. Well judging by the pic he doesn't look chubby to me. Infact he is a tad on the thin side to me he could do with gaining a couple of pounds (imperial and not US). Now back on topiic. Amity Lane wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: Amity Lane wrote: Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules? Whether they think it is acceptable or not is irrelvant. It is upto CCP to investigate and decide if any action needs to be taken that is all that is relevant to this matter. Not knowing if the CSMs have to sign another set of agreements, though I would suspect they do, and not knowing if those making appearnaces have to sign even more things and not being able to read them we can't really say what will happen. The only thing tha comes close is the lates Blizzcon where one fo the people said a few unsavoury things about the Allience and Blizzard had to appologise for allowing it to happen. Though how they were going to oprevent it while it was live I have no idea. baltec1 wrote: What he said has been said thousands of times before. Its nothing special and should been seen as it is. A joke in a speech aimed at people in his alliance. Then it should not have been made so publically, it shpuld ahve been kept private with in his corp, allience or wht not. There is a different standard of behaviour expected when you are speaking as a guest and a representative for whatever organisation.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.26 22:21:00 - [4] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Twulf wrote: There are US congress people looking for any reason to shut down or regulate the video game industry. Things like this just add fuel to their fire. Confirming that the US congress has jurisdiction over a video game made by a company in Iceland. No but they can regulate what paid for services its' "citizens" can access, as they did with online gambling sites.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.03.27 13:10:00 - [5] - Quote papamike wrote: Considering he is an American Citizen, you and I both know he could very easily have been in the heart of Berlin while making these comments to a German and be confident that there would be no chance whatsoever that he would be tried under German law, so I doubt CCP is too concerned about the implications in Germany. I do however understand and appreciate your sentiments. Incorrect. If you visit a country you are bound by its' laws regardless of your country of origin. If you break them you can be punished for doing so by the country in question. Then if we throw in that some contries extend their laws to cover their citizens even in another country and we have a whole mess of law.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.03.27 14:00:00 - [6] - Quote Killer Gandry wrote: After Mittani's appology, do you still hold on to your defences that there was nothing to appologise about? If you want to give his appology any credebility then why are you working so darn hard to devaluate his appology? While I agree with the main part of the post I am commenting on the quoted. Yes they can. What someone sees as something worth appologising for is personal. I have appologised for behaviour where I have had friends saying it is nothing to appologise for. You also have to factor in instinctive behaviour. Generally when backed into a corner you come out fighting. They were backed into a corner and went on the defensive. After saying for so long it is nothing to appologise for they can't then do an about face, some people think it would show weakness and some are even raise to believe appologising is a weakness. All in all regardless of their personal aoppinion he has appologised and what they say really has no effect on the "value" or lak there of of that appology. It is only as meaningful as the person making it means it to be.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.03.27 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote RougeOperator wrote: Real adults know when to admit they are wrong. Are we surprised by the goons not getting it? True, but whose defanition of a real adult are you going to use. Again this is a personal interpretation. I am fastly approaching the crest of the hill yet I still play games some would see that as not the behaviour appropriate of an adult. Yet they do not know that the average age of games is a lot older than the teenage crowd. Maturity and cronology are not necessarily the same thing. I havedone many jobs in my working life and I have seen examples of extremely immature 40 and 50+ year old people let alone those in their 20s, and I have also seen some extremely mature behaviour from kids below the age of majority. As I have said elsewhere can't remember if it was this thread or another, senaility is setting in as the crest of the hill approaches, I was raised to see an appology as a sign of a personal strength, some are raised the opposite and see appoogies as a sign of weakness. Instinct can also over ride logic or rational thought. If I am backed into a corner I come out all claws sharpened and woe betide anyone who gets in my way. However I could be totally in the wrong at that point, and only with hindsight will I see it. As it is things are still too heated for those who are in opposing camps to see each others side of the argument let alone acknowledge it they have a valid point. I will say again however the value or lock there of of an appology can only be based on the intent of the person making it not what their friends think of it. As to the question of suprise I can not answer it I am too new to the game to have any knowledge of them.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2012.03.27 21:03:00 - [8] - Quote esc shk wrote: I'm still laughing at you guys using this event, which had no effect on the guy in question (seriously he gives not a single ****), as an excuse to get a democratically elected leader removed from his position merely because a few vocal morons posting under NPC Alts have an issue with suicide ganking and scamming, which are allowed under the EULA. Underhanded politics indeed How much laughing will he be doing when he is turned down for a job in the real world because of this? I am not saying he will be by the way. In the current world with so much internet usage companies hiring people into resposible positions, and even universities on high demand courses, are no longer just investigating the back ground of people through the old ways, criminal record checks, credit checks references etc. They are now also searching the web for the prospective employees social networking sites, youtube channels and what ever these link to. They then use this to help them make a decisions to employ someone. People have been turned down for jobs because they have posted pics of themselves at a night out were they are rat arsed beyond belief and mooning their friends who take the picture, this includes pics on linked friends profiles if it is not on theirs if they are the one in the pics. This is a tad more serious than that and so may have more long reaching effects than either he or his friends might think. In this day and age you have to think carefully before posting anything like this or doing it infront of a camera drunk or not. Some universeties are now even thinking of or have brought in rules that behaviour off the campus is still actionable by them even during the holidays. Such behaviour could therefore in theory also result in someon being thrown off the course they are on. Jsut because people are posting with NPC corp characters does not make them alts, nor their opinions worthless, just like you they have the right to express their opinion, you have the right to ignore it, but trying to belittle them is more telling about you as a person than it is about them.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 - [9] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: There are way to many post about this on the first page of the forums. Why is the player base stinking everything up here? This is something CCP needs to deal with so let them deal with it. And NO, it is not for them to say yes we are doing something about it. If they are leave them to complete and lets see what the result of that is. Yes and no. As I have said there is no need for him to be publicly hanged, drawn and quarterd, they do however need to say they are looking into it and will come to a decison when they have finished. However what they do is none of our concern and our opinions on what should happen are irrelevant. People only have to know that if it is needed something will be done that is it. Justice only needs to be done it does not need to be seen to be done as then it becomes more about revenge than justice.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2012.03.27 22:55:00 - [10] - Quote Rutherford Rainman wrote: I don't understand how this is taking so long to resolve what should be a simple issue. Because what we see as simple may not actually be so. We have no idea what extra things a CSM or someone invited to speak at the event have to agree to. As such it could be alittle more complicated than we think. Also there is the being stuck between arock and ahrd place at the moment. Temps are running a tad too high for them to make a decision that would not blow up one way or the other. It is better to look at it rationally as opposed to knee jerking to "public outcry" which makes for bad decision, game rule changes and yes even law.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2012.03.27 23:02:00 - [11] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Quoting a specific part of my post, makes what I said in a whole irrelevent. Don't do that. Then I appologise for my actions.
Kalathia Eginald Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2012.03.29 15:22:00 - [12] - Quote No "we" did not do it. Stop trying to claim for yourself something you did not do. If anyone did it, it was this lad and CCP. Our opinions really are irrelevant and from what I have read I doubt he would have jumped himself. As much as I found the particular behaviour that started this disgusting I was not going to give my opinion on what should happen to him. Now to me gloating is just as disgusting it is over and done with, now move on.

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